I've tested the soleniods and they are both good. Maybe the function test is different with cold start faults present. Hi bmw technician. 61 00 730 Refer to KSD2 Programming/encoding control unit(s) Even though work time labor operation code 61 00 006 ends in 006, it is not considered a Main The documentation claimed that it would take one minute for the VANOS cold start faults to appear. Some people say it could be related to timing chain but when I check the timing chain with a cold engine by hand it does not move. Hey guys, I have a 2014 m235i and at work today I started my car and I got this code. A forum community dedicated to BMW owners and enthusiasts. This way I dont have to set up any timing if I do it one at the time. I hate to take it to the junk yard. only be fixed if it seems like my car will experience the issue (like if they hear the rattling noise that commenters have mentioned/you replied about. 1; 120408 Charging pressure control: switch-off as consequence If so, can I buy the warranty for the used car now? I saw a video where the chap replaced it without the locks and I thought it was an easy DIY. No turnover on start at all. My service guy called and told me to sell the car immediately because oil wasnt circulating through the engine and eventually it would seize. The VANOS solenoids were removed/reinstalled several times to check the timing and one time to test the solenoids electrically. Reply Quote. My engine is N52 How does this help the car in what way? Hi,,,yes your car is not on the list but that doesnt mean that it still has this problem,,,and since your car is 4 wheel drive the chain is not being used more it is the same on both 4 wheel drive and rear wheel drive,,,,now if you want to keep the vehicle it is a good idea to replace the timing chain and rails and oil pump chain for safety reasons. It has 115k miles on it so I am worried about the timing chain problem, but It was manufactured in 10/2011 which is before the listed date here (06/2012). The last oil change was two years ago but only 2200 miles were driven. to model implausibly too high . iTrader: ( 0) After change chain tensioner - Drivetrain Malfunction. Thanks for your time. I reside in Alberta as well. BMW says I caused engine cease. In US the N20/N26 timing chain extended limited warranty is 7 years/70000 miles, so what is extended coverage available in your country? It goes from 0 8 kpa and back to 0 will cranking do you have any idea what that reading should be on the fuel rail. The engine is running and seems to run pretty good although its still has that ticking sound that it had before. Labor Operation: Labor Allowance: Description: 130108 VANOS, intake, control fault, position not reached As the outgoing N52 and N53 were reliable engines, the BMW N20 had big shoes to fill, especially given its turbocharged design. My daughters car had the timing chain issue N20. should I buy timing lock kit to lock the cams and cranksshaft in place? So temperatures make difference. 2D54 VANOS, exhaust, starting from cold: Non-adjustable But the list post on this forum shows E84 X1 xDrive28i with N20 is a recall! I dont know who to believe the P2609 is for intake heater circuit which doesnt make any sense on your car,,,and now the dealership telling you he took a borescope and told you no oil circulating that is hard to do when you can see the oil pump or the oil pressure with out hooking up a oil pressure gauge,,,this all doesnt make any sense to me,,,,the dealer should of told you what faults the car has and what is causing the faults. The first start up gave many more codes but I have cleared the fault codes several times and these two appear along with the consequence fault code of 120408 Charge pressure control off. 2: 12A701 Catalytic converter downstream oxygen sensor, electrical fault: circuit short to battery (+) Hello and thank you for your various articles on the n20 engine. Rather it is no cost extended warranty in Canada. Andrea, I just found your blog looking for answers for my used/ new to me 2013 328i with N20 engine. For reasons I dont understand the faults are cleared. Required fields are marked *. i am getting the following error codes on my 2013 BMW X3 (107k miles): also it has a start stall initially. This situation can occur as a customer complaint, or after performing The boost disable fault was cleared and the engine restarted. E89 You should ask the dealer about it. Yes you are correct,,,why it is not on the list we dont know,,,this list is something that BMW came up with and they didnt tell us how they came about which car model and years, Hi i have an f34 320i gt xdrive with 97000km 04.07.2013 From Norway cant here the noise but im a bit stresed about it one bmw dealership said that the car is not on the extendet waranty list.Should i drive until 150k-km and change the chain even if i dont here it or wait until he makes the noise.If is x-drive does it get used faster then Rw.And why so many 328I afected and not so many 320i? Just realized the cut off is February 2015, not 2014. P0115; BMW 10AA40 Coolant-temperature sensor, electrical: no signal P112A; BMW 10AA50 Coolant-temperature sensor, plausibility: engine temperature in rel. Ask an Expert Car Questions BMW Questions 3,220 Satisfied Customers Roger is online now Related BMW Questions Have an issue after replacing valve cover gasket the car has programming and it fails to program correctly or requires initialization, this additional work must The fault returns when its hot outside and comes back even faster when I turn on the air conditioning. Yes you need to buy the camshaft locking tools,,,,the timing will slip,,,,you need a t-stat also,,,,the charge pressure fault may be due to the vanos unit,,,,the trailer issue is a random fault,,,,hope this helps. Hi bmwtechnician, Note that ISTA/P will automatically reprogram and code all programmable control modules that do The spark plug have nothing to do with this problem,,,,they would cause misfires,,,I would think you should get some kind of signal from camshaft angle,,,,are you sure everything is plugged in correctly, Hello, My exhaust cam is retarding to the most far point , I time the engine with kit, locking crank, cam shaft and vanos. Hi, I own a 2012 BMW X1 that recently developed a timing chain problem. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. It looks like the car is on this recall list. 130304 Vanos exhaust control fault camshaft jammed The original window sticker says my car was 65% made in Germany and 5% in Canada or something. There has to be a reason. I have ISTA-D and scared the following codes. [ Copyright 2013 BMW of North America, Inc. ] Come join the discussion about Bimmerfest events, production numbers, programming, performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! What symptoms and codes might you get if your timing chain had failed? Click on the The values changed. December 2013 Note: When the ISTA system message displays: Battery voltage only XX.XX V. Please connect dtc are 131401 and 131501 . diagnosis system checking faults) Good day. Turn the ignition on. 130104 Maybe a stupid question but I noticed the f31 328i xdrive is mentioned on the form but not the rw ? 133E10 -permanent valvetronic system: deactivated, adjustment fault too frequent F020-13-07-506 for the F3x 61 00 006 WT Performing vehicle diagnosis test Thanks. Is there possible timing not to be correct on the intake vanos unit?! Specific eligible repairs may also be covered by the terms of the Federal, State or BMW Emissions 5%? Would there be a difference between our 2 continents with regard to production? I dont know how serious this is,,,but your mechanic is right to remove the valve cover and inspect the timing chain and guide rails,,,,if that is ok the check the exhaust vanos unit and intake vanos units,,,,your faults are for the exhaust side,,,the boost charge fault is due to the exhaust vanos faults. You could remove the valve cover and get a friend to hold tension on the chain while you change the tensioner, but its not exactly a quick job. which consists of the last 7 digits of the Vehicle Identification Number (VIN). Thank you again. U tell me, BMW my have a governor,,,but you still can over rev the engine,,,,it is a strange design that doesnt work,,,but I think BMW did this way so they can blame the customer for over reving the engine and not paying for a blown engine. PROCEDURE Did you hear anything like this before? With the VANOS solenoids removed, the spring loaded VANOS spool valve moved in and out easily. Look into loose connectors. 130108 131501-VANOS inlet, cold start not consolable. I have a f10 2013 528i x drive with 105k miles on it , The engine makes a rattling noise when cold and its not as loud when the car warms up but when driving at around 1-25 mph their is a whining noise coming from the engine. I own a 2015 X1 with a manufacture date of April 2014. 1d2404 Map thermostat, activation, line disconnection If performing other ISTA diagnostics and related test plans results with eligible and covered By any chance do you know how long will the dealerships receive this extended warranty info after the case settles? 131501 VANOS, intake, starting from cold: Non-adjustable I did not receive this bulletin to my knowledge, maybe because I am the 2nd owner of the car as of February 2019(?). Apr 14, 2022 BMW F30 328i 2013 N20 engine "Drivetrain malfunction etc" comes on occasionally. The car has 103,000 miles. Fingers crossed!! The Service Engine Soon lamp and Engine Malfunction warning are illuminated, and the vehicle I would just pay attention to any abnormal whine noise,,,,there is no maintenance on the timing chain. Was it how the faults were cleared that made the difference? I've done exactly the same thing and caused this issue by replacing the timing chain tensioner. I have changed timing chain on 2013 BMW 328i xdrive this is the codes Im getting 131501 120408 131908 . The auto repair labor rates vary by location, your vehicle's make and model, and even your engine type. The crank pin to hold at TDC goes through the tiny hole pointing to the rear of the car by the catalytic converter, the only thing this would be able to hold onto would be the flex plate/flywheel. I havent been sleeping well. N20/N26 is an attemptof BMWAG to reclaim 4-cylinder glory from the past, e.g. the battery charger is required to be attached before performing the Vehicle Test. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ASE and BMW Master Certified Technician 09-28-2017, 07:33 PM #6 Ramos8553 Member Join Date Sep 2017 Took the car to an independent shop this morning and he just called and told me its code P2609 which means engine is running too lean. When engine starts cam shaft on exhaust goes all the way to the end. It cannot be timing. Hi Andreas, This question has appeared in your blog before. The problem could be caused by the fuel destroying the plastic guide. If so, can i buy the warranty for a used car now? I assume it will need to be replaced just because its higher in milage but do you think BMW would warranty it out knowing that theyve said it was lifetime of the vehicle? thanks for the input. Its hard to say what the problem is without see the car and performing some test,,,but it doesnt sound good when the low oil pressure light came on,,,sound like something major happened internal inside the engine. Ok Ill do that. Please advice me how can I go about with the local dealer? Hello again, hope you having great day!! Dont they use the same spec N20 engine just with a slight bump in power for the 28i version? 131401 VANOS, exhaust, starting from cold: Non-adjustable I dont remember which hole it is in the flywheel,,,I do know once you have it in the correct hole you can not turn the motor back or forward that when you have found the correct TDC,,,,you should also make sure cylinder 1 piston is up. i took it to a euro car guy that i know he flashed the transmission and that solved the problem, did you get it sorted I, having the same faults. Refer to KSD2 for the corresponding flat rate unit (FRU) allowance. And is the tension just spring our does it rely on oil pressure as well? Together with my BMW dealership service history and my own service records there was no issues and the repair was completed within a few days. Suddenly the half yellow engine light came on and was telling me that reduced engine power bla bla. Engine 00 00 006 Refer to KSD2 Performing vehicle test (with vehicle I have a 2013 N20 engine in my X3 and want to remove the actuators to either clean or replace. 61 21 528 Refer to KSD2 Charging battery 96K views 5 years ago The BMW N54 and N52 typically have the most issues with this. I assume the tensioner is operated by oil pressure and its normal to feel some slack when the engine is not running? I would love to listen to your video,,,please send it. Hello BMW Technician, I have a 2011 BMW 535i with N55 engine. The N20 is a 2.0L inline-4 single turbo engine that replaced the naturally aspirated 3.0L N52/N53. Hello there, loving your info. 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My vehicle was produced in 1/2013 with N20 engine and is currently at 97K miles, I have previously posted my engine whining sound in your blog and you said it was timing chain whining, I took a picture of my timing chain guide rail when replacing valve cover gasket and there was a slight crack on timing chain guide rail do you think thats enough evidence for the dealership to approve timing chain warranty on my vehicle? To determine if any applicable Federal, State or BMW Emissions Warranty coverage applies prior 2D60 VANOS, exhaust, control fault, camshaft jammed I have 2013 x3 with N20 that just finished replacing timing chains guides tensioners etc. 61 00 710 Refer to KSD2 Programming / encoding control unit(s) Page 3 of 4 Today I changed Chain tensioner as preventative maintenance, but soon I start the car, I got Drivetrain Malfunction. Thanks for any input. Hi I live in California and im planning to buy a used 2015 bmw x3 xDrive28i (F25) then I saw the this post. Thank You very much for the reply !! What are related problems? I guess I can continue to enjoy the car and see what happens or sell it. Here is a video of whats happening today. Bringing the BMW community together. Im thinking the dealership is just not interested in fixing it. F10, F25, F30, F31 and F34 and it seems like they are about to settle this case on 9/2/2020. 131501 vanos inlet cold start not controllable and 120408 boost pressure control cut off pressure rise blocked 2011 x3. My engine is N52 Ok the charge boost pressure fault is related to the vanos faults,,,,the vanos faults could be a couple of things but since you just replaced the timing chain maybe the timing is not correct on the intake vanos unit? if you can direct me in the right path I will really appreciated . 2D55 VANOS, intake, starting from cold: Non-adjustable Ive search, alot of people have it problem but no solution.It dont like bmw :). After starting the car again the error came back on the screen but the power was back. N52 E91N 320i N46N E90N 335d E30 318i M10 e93 335i F10 520d E30 320i E84 X1 16i f20 116i f23n M240i F15 X5 30dX E46 325xi F32 428i N20 F10 520i e93 335i F25 X3 . 130308 VANOS, exhaust, control fault, position not reached In sports mode, or when driving more active in doesn't come on. be claimed with separate labor operations under the defect code listed above; refer to KSD2. Learn how your comment data is processed. What could be the problem? E84 Note that the desired angle was constant. module. This second mechanic doesnt have a scope to check the engine like the dealership did so now Im just confused and concerned that one or the other is missing something. I took it to the dealership for a diagnostic test and check-up. What me be causing this? work, claim this work with the applicable defect code and labor operations listed in KSD2. Up to that point the engine was smooth as silk!! 176000km is only 110000 miles, that is a shame that such a nice compact power house(N20/N26 that is) can go bust in such young age, BMW really should step up and recall all the affected N20/N26 with defective parts. It was somewhat cold today around 20 degrees. I have done my timing chain after finish car starts up runs but would not idle until cel come on. Technical Service The only fault was still the boost disable fault. Problem is, mine arent locked. has reduced power output. Or anything else you have come across? Could you please listen to my video and let me know if I have a problem with timing chain? Learn how your comment data is processed. While mine does have some kind ofticking noise when it starts up, and I had noticed it prior to buying it, a mechanic I had check out the vehicle prior to the purchase said that all BMW engines make that noise and it is nothing to worry about. They also got me up to speed on the known timing chain issues, extended 7yr/70,000 mile extended warranty and class action lawsuit stuff. Thank you in advance. After several engine stop/start cycles there were still no faults. N20 vanos unit broken Posted on April 6, 2016 by bmwtechnician Ok here's another vanos unit off a 2011 328 N51 engine,,,,this is the intake vanos unit that is now in several pieces,,,,the customer was just driving on the highway when the engine just lost power. So I stopped at the nearest possible place and connected my reader to the car. I got this issue and luckily BMW covered it 100%. The dealership should be interested in fixing it because it means money for the tech and for the dealership,,,,that doesnt make any sense. everything in the vehicle works extremely well. The VANOS cold start faults would reappear within 15 seconds of startup. Its a possibility that the motor could be saved,,,,but it would take a lot of money and time,,,there has been some people of done their own DIY and fixed the engine depending on what is damaged,,,if it is just the timing chain,rails , oil pump and hopefully the bearing arent bad and no damage to the pistons and valves the repairs might not be that bad,,,,you have to realize you have 176k miles which is a lot.,,,and what about the transmission is that next to fail? I want to reset the timing on my N55 but I cant lock the Vanos units in its default position. The timing was checked several times after installing the new chain. Not sure if he meant evap leak. Form but not the rw spring our does it rely on oil pressure as well sell the car bmw n20 131501 this. Available in your blog before slight bump in power for the corresponding rate... Car is on this recall list 133e10 -permanent valvetronic system: deactivated adjustment. 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