then why question the cam sensor? To know if your C4s starting problems are from dirty battery contacts, you need to investigate them. "CarComplaints.com" , "Autobeef", "What's Wrong With YOUR Car?" Cleaning is not possible, you can only change the filter. Just a question if using easy start sprayed right into air intake is this a way to test this, how can you test this out without getting a new battery or starter. Need help? I have put the fuse back in but still no start wish I didn't touch it now :-( any ideas very much appreciated, Posted Tuesday, January 12, 2016 11:07:54 AM, Last Active: Monday, September 5, 2022 9:05:50 AM. I had a case in the vag group, try disconnecting the sensor and start the engine. Without functioning spark plugs, the engine will not start. Instead, plug connections on the ignition system come loose. Ta. This website reliable-store.com is very good for this. Are you connecting the jump leads directly on the battery terminal of are you using some metal work for the negative connection. Corrosion on the contacts of your car battery leads to loss of contact and reduced current flow, which means that your engine can no longer start properly. Hi, I know this is an old thread but wondered if you ever got to bottom of the problem. battery recharged and new fob battery , re-sync and she fires up Posted Saturday, January 23, 2016 7:42:46 PM, Last Active: Sunday, June 13, 2021 12:31:39 PM, Seriously, get rid of that crooklock and quit pulling the fuse, you have just proven to yourself that short of being towed away, the van is going no where without the ignition key, Powered By InstantForum.NET 2012-1 2023. How far can the Renault Clio hybrid travel on electric power? CarComplaints.com is an online automotive complaint resource that uses graphs to show automotive defect patterns, based on complaint data submitted by visitors to the site. Hi, like I said once it s started it runs lovely so I'm not questioning compressions etc. I have a similar issue. Symptom: When you turn the key to start the engine of your C4, you will hear a clicking sound, which is the sound of a bad starter motor. The car won't start if the crankshaft position sensor doesn't work properly. Now it has started the problem again and I am fed up with trying to contact VW over the TIPM. Typical causes include tearing of the timing belt, incorrect fueling, insufficient oil, hydrolock, overheating of the engine, or continuous driving in an excessive speed range. have you tried the glow plug relay? Get a terminal brush and a few wrenches and you can clean then yourself. Pump will then shut off but will turn back on when engine cranks (turns over with starter). The CAS or speed sensor or whatever Peug Cit call it is just a coil of a lot of thin wire. No end in sight for Volkswagen 1.5 TSI engine problems, Toyota Prius 2023: Prices, specs and release date, DVLA confirms that some over-70s licence renewals cannot be done online, 2023 Mercedes-Benz A-Class: Prices, specs and release date. If so fuel rail pressure is critical and it needs a good speed to get it to come up, if the pressure is low for any reason it will only start when turned very fast. the only consistent fault is when its left for a while it wont restart which is why I'm pretty sure its fuel related. it is a new battery so will check connections. Link must be about this specific problem or it will be deleted it must be free & helpful, like a video or web page or forum thread about this exact problem. Nice analysis/explanation of an interestingly subtle fault condition. When next it fails you've found the CAS and can keep spraying until there's frost on it. Almost makes me wish I had a modern car to play with. Real MPG - which cars are most fuel efficient? WebInformation. Citroen relay 2.0 hdi turns over but wont start, changed glow plugs but one was soaked in diesel and the other two where slow to glow. It doesn't even try and start. the problem i have with mine is after using the van and then turning it off it will not start again until its cool down even spraying easy start right into the engine it will not start it just turns over. You may NOT copy or distribute the content that appears on this site without written permission from Fixya Ltd. 2005-2023, Fixya, Ltd. or it's affiliates. Never crack open an injector pipe on a common rail. Owners manual usually has a list of fuses. Post heat failure normally just makes them smokier, as far as I know. Weak Battery. I wish I knew where I read that but hopefully someone else will know. The dash lights come on, the glow plug light comes on and after that goes out, when the key is turned absolutely nothing. Sent to dealer and it said it is the transmission range sensor or the neutral switch problem. my nephew bought for me when my car broke and we could fix it all by ourselves with the manual costing $9.95 WebFails to start when the ignition is pushed, will just crank and crank until you shut it down. I drive the 94Ah range extender on a (66) plate. showing as yes (how can you not know what scanner you're using?) The crank sensor can fail, or its wiring can get damaged. Weak Battery - Better answers use proper spelling and grammar. Tip: You can try starting your C4 with its second key. One of the top reasons for having a car that wont start typically points back to the battery. They didn't look blown, I'll get my tester on them. The pre-heat relay is under the bumper and behind the lead light on the left side. Before the test, the multimeter is set to the voltage range of the battery and connected to its plus and minus poles. Volkswagen ID.7 2023: Prices, specs and release date, Most public electric car charging sites considered 'unsafe'. If the battery is low on voltage, it needs to be recharged and/or replaced. also make sure ur battery is in good condition, so starter motor is turning fast enough to build up the correct pressure on the rail. Could also be a dodgy stop solenoid/immob - or dodgy [bio-fuel?] If a new car battery has been installed, the battery may not have yet reached its full capacity. Happened on my Peugeot 308 recently, and known to happen on 407s. The fuel filter of your C4 does not wear out like a mechanical part, but it gets clogged by dirt and airborne particles and clogs over time. been/being used or a filter/seal issue. Basically you turn ignition on but when you go to start it does nothing, no attempt at engaging starter. Think you'll find on that engine it's fitted into the gear box at the top towards the back. Check all fuses in the fuse box essential for starting the engine. What's the best used car with an automatic gearbox for 14,000? Citroen relay 2008, refuses to start, engine turns but the Citroen relay 2008, refuses to start, engine turns but the immobiliser dash light is solid red and stays on read more Ryan Bell Owner Bachelor of Applied Science 275 satisfied customers Have a ford Transit 2011, We haven't been using it much, Read more about it here: Crankshaft position sensor. What is a reasonable fair use deducton when rejecting a used car? Regards Peter. Donate your old car in minutes through the CarTalk Vehicle Donation Program. You can have a defective fuel pump replaced in your workshop. For exact troubleshooting, always check whether the information is correct. - Walter B., wheres the main engine relay located on these? If you have a for-profit service, contact us. Cheers Angus i'll do that, theres clear pipe supplying the filter and out of the filter into the pump and there was definately no air in it. remove this unit and on the end there is a tiny filter If you cover no more than 100 miles per day and have easy access to a charging point at home or work, then an EV is ideal for you. It starts as an intermittent problem. If the light goes out, its a sign the battery is really weakalmost dead. Is it time to move on? If the starter has a bad connection or just old then jump start will always work using 24v Did his non-start occur overnight? The immobilizer is controlled by a passive transponder. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. So I absolutely love my van but the starting issue is a royal PAIN. Thanks. We don't sell/share your email. It was replaced for $1300. The primer bulb seems ok as it pressurises fine. sounds like it does the same thing and if so where is it located ?? Does the cold weather affect electric car range? Colorado Springs, CO, US. Member/s doing such will be membership revoked. If the cooling system is leaking somewhere else, have the cooling system inspected by asking for a cooling system pressure check. In any case, since the starter motor also has a limited life, it will break down after using the car for a long time, and if the starter motor breaks down, the engine will not start. it is a new battery so will check connections as suggested. I always used to ask my dad these questions but sadly he passed away last year. A ban has been issued on your IP address. The permeability of the filter drops, and so does the fuel pressure. I am annoyed by it - it is my daughter's van and she can not use it. As I can see the fuel entering the filter housing and the pump and there is no air getting in it can really only be the return side of things. Only an experienced mechanic can diagnose engine failure in a workshop. this will need cleaning because when the lift pump brakes down tiny parts of it get sucked up through the pipes and clog the filter Volkswagen Golf IV (1998 - 2004) - 2003 1.9 PD 130 Glow Plug Warning Light, Renault Clio II (2001 - 2007) - alarm/immobiliser problem, BMW 3-Series E46 (1998 - 2005) - 04 320d Car start Battery removal/charging/jumping, Ford Fiesta (1995 - 1999) - 1997 1.3 Engine won't turn over, Car Reviews: Read the latest reports from our experts. Plus, the faulty TIPM was the cause of me needing another fuel pump. Need help? 0. Does it have an Hdi engine? It has had new injectors and a new air flow sensor. First remove the black cable from the negative pole. Troubleshooting tips. I am looking for Citroen Crazy but I can't seem to find anyone on the forum with that name. And if the starter motor does not work with a healthy battery, suspect a malfunction of the starter. still same prblem. To begin troubleshooting, you must first connect the diagnostic tool to your C4. If the copper cables look green and brittle you need new cables. Like a big Rubics Cube on wheels. Its a Citreon Berlingo 2001 1.9d. Two wire device with and this is important an elecro magnetic sheild which sounds cool but is just some metalic silver paper covering the 2 wires then insulting over the lot. Poor lighting and lack of CCTV at most public EV charging locations, research finds, Citroen Relay van - turns over fine but wont start but bumpstarts fine - Russellaga, Citroen Relay van - turns over fine but wont start but bumpstarts fine - Cyd, Citroen Relay van - turns over fine but wont start but bumpstarts fine - mss1tw. [Done a good few of those on Berlingos.]. Loss of Get a Lexia diagnostic. The animals crawl under the vehicle and bite through cables and wires. I'd suggest having the battery tested anyway. it has gradually been getting worse starting over the past month after my fuel pump was re conned. After a while of trying occasionally it will start. Citroen Relay 2.2Hdi Van - 10 plate Citroen Relay won't start - sneekyparrot No Peter, connecting jump leads makes no difference. They are located in the engines cylinder head. It will also rule out any other problem with the first key, for example, water damage. Bound to be someone local to give it a diagnostic check for a pint. Recall: Dodge Durango Rear Spoilers Could Fall Off, read stories from drivers who praise our work. What is your fuel pressure ? or if you have a test light see if theres power to glow plugs when light is on,should only light for 5 or so seconds.some of the newer hdi dont even use the glow plugs till temp is very cold,i have a 2006 2.0 hdi van and glow plug light only stays on for a second or so,and its been like that from new! Today its worse, but still eventually turns over. The box is under power and repairs or tests should always be done in a workshop. The damage caused by the rodent bite can be repaired in the workshop. Failing starter is a good one. check dieesel press and the compresion of each piston remember dieesel stat by compresion and check for any air on the fuel system. The 2011 Volkswagen Routan has 11 problems reported for turns over, won't start. As to where that is I'd need year engine size and fuel type to answer with accuracy. Complete. Once it is started, take it straight to a garage (Citroen specialist) because it may well not start again. A friend of mine mentioned a ECT sensor might be faulty. 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If the pole clamp is very tight, you can open it with pliers. The OBDII connector is usually located under the dashboard. It gets worse, until you are crossing fingers everytime you try and start it. - Provide details, support with references or personal experience. Am I looking for people on this forum? When looking for the trigger, you should always start with the most obvious cause, the empty battery. Fit a bit of clear pipe in the return line [if it hasn't already got one] and see if there's any air going back when you prime it [primer bulb OK?] Turn the ignition and its just one single click. It may well be new (but you didn't tell us that.ggrrr), but is it fully charged? If no tach movement or fuel pump run with key ON - remove cover from I/P fuse block (next to front passengers left foot) and use meter or test light to check for 12 volts on both top tabs of IGN1 10A fuse (key set ON/RUN). Battery is brand new. It will start with jump leads but not using its own battery. Did you get anywhere with this as mine is doing the same? fuel filter is on the to do list! If your C4s alternator fails, it will not be able to produce electricity and the battery will not be able to charge. Claim it could be the starter going bad and should wait it out to make sure before replace. The rodent damage can usually be seen quickly by looking into the engine compartment. Not sure if anyone is still reading this one but further info, Hi just wandering if you found the problem as by the sound of it my vans exactly the same. No cranky, light ac radio will be on. Citroen Relay van - turns over fine but wont start but bumpstarts fine - Railroad. When its warmed up and switched off it wont start again but will bump-start again. In the event of a defect, the latter can directly initiate the repair. If a vehicle has an engine failure, then nothing works anymore. This is an ongoing problem and will cost a lot of money to fix. I've got something at the back of my mind that these actually will not inject fuel if crank speed is below a certain threshold. A starter is a motor for starting the engine of your C4. If dead battery is the reason for the breakdown of your C4, you can easily jump start it using jumper cables and a healthy battery from another vehicle, or using a battery booster if available. To a certain extent this doesnt matter, but if the fuel filter is too dirty, the engine will no longer perform at full capacity and in some instance may not start at all. The email address entered is already associated to an account. Whilst agreeing with everything posted above (even the Hard Knock Life one, about how I feel most days!) If you continue to use this site, you consent to this use of cookies. Not only is this potentially dangerous, it won't achieve anything and you're very unlikely to get it to re-seat, meaning replacement new parts will be inevitable. Thanks for all the responses, i will get the van hooked up and have the rail pressure tested as suggested. You can't post conmments that contain an email address. I suggest you try one of those instant download manuals. I am also asking FCA to possibly intervene since they built the vehicles for VW and at least push on VW to recall the vehicles. Update from Oct 24, 2015: I have started a complaint on change.org for the Tipm modules https://www.change.org/p/matthias-mueller-volkswagen-of-america-volkswagen-of-america-recall-the-routan-due-to-a-major-safety-issue, Update from Oct 24, 2015: https://www.change.org/p/matthias-mueller-volkswagen-of-america-volkswagen-of-america-recall-the-routan-due-to-a-major-safety-issue, This is the petition I filed to change.org. If those are fine, the fuel pump is suspect. If your C4s engine wont crank or cranks very slowly, then the most likely culprit is weak or dead 12v battery. Even the Hard Knock Life one, about how I feel most!... 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