Just a little glimmer. All rights reserved. Right, Clara comes from the same town, and they're both secularized Jews. So, they sit down in the chair thinking, "Wow. This is just a tsunami of evil that passes through the play. Is that how you say that thing-. What makes boys boys and girls girls. When you press one of the switches, all the way down, the learner gets a shock. This is actually mean to be bad anyways. Just push the button that corresponds to the right word. [inaudible 00:59:10] I went back one time before and [inaudible 00:59:13] that I Like I said, I got to give it out, can't keep holding it in. But there's been a fellow, I've been thinking about him for the better part of year, as you know-. James Shapiro, Professor of English at Columbia University. But I mean, he's up to 195 volts. Radiolab Society & Culture Science Latest Transcripts Kittens Kick The Giggly Blue Robot All Summer 2.7K views over 2 years ago 41:58 With the recent passing of Ruth Bader Ginsburg, there's been a lot of debate about how much power the Supreme Court should really have. We were just enacting an old, very famous experiment that you may have heard about. He started calling me a whore and told me he didn't love me anymore. radiolab-archive. They were gagging, they were choking; hundreds of them were falling to the ground like-. What you know, you know.". But even with all that gore and horribleness, there was often a moment that people waited for. It is a, the- the critical- the critical force prod. The questionnaires they filled out are part of the Milgram archive at Yale. We've got to know now. What makes a bad person so bad that he's different from the rest of us? ", Now you're saying actually that you could read that very dark fact as being actually evidence of something quite-, Well if you dressed up, and if you just had some minor variance to the paradigm you could, presumably, make this up. RadioLab is supported, in part, by the National Science Foundation, and the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation. There's trench warfare, it gets bogged down and Haber has an idea. What my father and his colleagues know is that something was done to these bodies; many of them after they were murdered. I got to tell you, um, I'm not totally comfortable that you are providing all the information about-. Be right back. Although, clearly, on some level they know it isn't. Yes 80 percent of the air is nitrogen atoms. Very distinctive looking man. I mean it's a pretty heady thing for a Jewish kid from Breslau to be hobnobbing with the Emperor, and cabinet ministers, he's part of the club; and he really, really relished it. Well that's to [inaudible 00:19:32], just cut it out. If you breathed it in, it sort of irritates your lungs to the extent that they sort of fills up with fluid so quickly that you sort of drowning in your own phlegm. And you got to ask is the world better with him or without him? He has a podcast. You're telling us all this. That's right. And, "Well why the rage?" I think what it's doing is, uh, if you breathe it in, it sort of irritates your lungs to the extent that they sort of fills up with fluid so quickly that you sort of drown in your own phlegm. And there behind the German lines is-. When we asked how close she came to killing him, she estimated 60 percent. But 75% of the people who worked for him at the institute, they were Jewish. They reached back to the shelf and they find this Zyklon stuff. Hey, I'm Jad Abumrad. Gary is dancing around this topic, Gary had denied this to his own lawyers. And it's just sort of approaching. So he sends a letter to the Ministry of Education resigning, and he leaves Germany. I don't think I ever had a fantasy that anatomically specific where I would see the part of the other person that I was going to stab or plan it like that. An mlsconsumeraccess.org number 3030. The Green River murders terrorized Seattle in the 1980s. This actually brings us to the first topic of the hour, so let me Just to set it up. Just to put that into context and to bring a few other of our storytellers in. Because you are sullied by them. I invited him for dinner and as he was in the kitchen looking stupid peeling the carrots to make salad, I came up to him laughingly, gently so that he wouldn't suspect anything. No reason. Want to talk about bad people in Shakespeare. According to some accounts, as they crept across no man's land. And that was a question that had haunted my father for decades. Here's what he did. You wouldn't though. "Well, why can't you deal with it in a normal way?" It was- it was a warning smell so that people didn't inadvertently breathe it in and get sick. Some people describe it as a cloud, and then others describe it as this kind of 15 foot wall kind of hugging the land, and it's just sort of approaching. And so he says that and you're like, "Okay, yes come over now. So then Hey wait, I'm almost done guys, give me two more minutes, two more minutes. Hi, I'm Robert Krulwich. These are people who are incredibly noble, they are. Accuracy and availability may vary. Support Radiolab today atRadiolab.org/donate. New York Public Radio transcripts are created on a rush deadline, often by contractors. This is a continuation of an interview with Gary Leon Ridgeway. The most common source of nitrogen is in the air around us. Were you a little bit, like, horrified? This episode of Radiolab, we wrestle with the dark side of human nature, and ask whether it's something we can ever really understand, or fully escape. (beep) God. Bonobos. Listen to free wherever you go to podcast and sign up at openearsproject.org. And so, Satan basically systematically destroys Job's life, takes away his wife, his children, all his material possessions. If any sizeable fraction actually acted on their homicidal fantasies, the streets would be running- running red. Despite the chlorine gas. They're doing it because they think they ought to. And he says, "Can I come over and sleep on your couch? And it's a craft, but it's a craft with consequences, and to approach it with kind of crazy joy? And that was a question that had haunted my father for decades. But there's a fellow. Here it goes. Oft have I digged up dead men from their graves and set them upright at their dear friend's door. But if you look at Milgram's work closely. And one evening, they were throwing a party and invited me over. Maria Matasar-Padilla is our managing director. Yes. And what he decided to do is go into the ocean, into sea water, which contains very small levels of gold. How do you tell the real baddies from the rest of us? And when you stick a seed, like a wheat seed in the ground. But he organizes soldiers, he organizes whole gas units. And it's moving in about one meter per second. James Shapiro, professor of English at Columbia University. He could have never imagined that. And he goes home for a few days a hero. Trim, nice mustache. They will spare his son if he fesses up and- and tells them what they need to know. The fourth prod is. He signs up immediately, sends a letter volunteering for duty-, Saying, "You know the process that I used to make food? And if they still were resisting or struggling, they'd get proud number three. He was trying to repeat this masterstroke. Then he left some space at the bottom for them to elaborate if they said yes. This is Jeff Jensen and he's a reporter in LA. And not just 'cause he was vain, which everyone agrees he was, but because he loves his country. I mean, it's a pretty big thing to miss. There's you, and there's two other participants. We will begin with this test-. Fritz Haber's a professor, small university. We need to put it under a lot of pressure. She says, "What happened today?" Okay. Really, that story's been told a million and one times for the last 50 years, we've just got to get over it. Especially because she found out he was leaving the next day to direct more gas attacks. She just burst my eardrums (laughs). For much the same reasons. But as far as I know, there are none for Radiolab.I think I once read a statement from Jad and/or Robert that they view the show as an audio experience, and so believe it can't be captured in a transcript. What does it actually mean to be bad anyways? He didn't really want to cop to everything that he did. We, as- as onlookers to this study, we have this kind of god-like, uh, sort of vision of, like, well of course what they're doing is wrong. You know what's going to happen if she pisses you off. What did you remember since we last talked [inaudible 00:57:19]? You're telling this [inaudible 01:02:30]. Even now. Give me two more minutes. These little nitrogen atoms will fiercely hold together, and it's almost impossible to pry them apart. And he was someone who had very big ambitions. Sixty-five percent-, To shock their fellow citizens, over and over again-. And so I went up to the bedroom to find him and he was in a rage. Now, we're seeing about a 100 million tons of synthetic fertilizer produced industrially each year and that tonnages then moves into our food source. It is a fair question to ask what are the conditions under which you or me or any of us could do-. Yeah. I was just astonished. Maybe this is the time they tell them to go brush their teeth or something. This is RadioLab. And as it happens, my father has very vivid memories of investigating the Carol Christensen murder. In the other room, there was a guy who he called the learner who is supposed to have memorized some words. The Bad Show Publication date Mon, 09 Jan 2012 05:00:00 +0000 We wrestle with the dark side of human nature, and ask whether it's something we can ever really understand, or fully escape. He had snapped. What's the noble cause in this case? Prince-nez? Radiolab - Transcripts Subscribe 187 episodes Radiolab is on a curiosity bender. So, let me just get that ov- I mean-, So, again, the baseline study is the one where 65% of the volunteers-. "Oh, you tell me sir, yes sir, no sir, three bags full, sir.". Rocket Mortgage by Quicken Loans. A hero. What's interesting is that how all of these struggles, all of them, play out the same way. I mean, that was makebelieve, but if you could somehow get a real Iago in the room and subject that person to questioning, and really get him to sort of fess up as to why they did it, would that make a difference? So Stanley Milgram actually begins these experiments-. And I just sat at my desk and started reading these. Just to back up for one second. The first victims of the Green River killer were found in the summer of 1982. Each answer just begs another why. That's Stanley Milgram talking about the experiment in a film. And even when they do say, "Yes." Said, "Deadly enmity between two friends make poor men's cattle break their necks, set fire on barns, and haystacks in the night, and bid the owners quench them with their tears. Three times a year, two times before-. He said that if I ever had a relationship with another man, he was going to send videos of us having sex to all the people in my university. And he believed it. Radiolab was created by Jad Abumrad and is produced by Soren Wheeler. Well,the experiment requires that you continue. Maybe it's all about doubt in the end. Check out the Blank Slate, a book by Steven Pinker, one of the world's leading experts on language and the mind. The Bad Show.ogg download. It's a graphic or an illustrated novel. His experiment remains one of the most famous experiments of the 20th century. And this particular story, it comes from a book that David wrote. Just because of a mathematical summing up. You know, what does he say? in this episode we begin with a chilling statistic: 91% of men, and 84% of women, have fantasized about killing someone. By the way, that's reporter [Latif Nassar 00:30:59]. Radiolab is on a curiosity bender. My name's Benjamin Walker and here are some Radiolab credit. All right, just to back up for one second. But what's clear is that he saw no reason to question what he had done and that infuriated Clara. They wanted someone who was really thrillingly bad, but in the end, was, uh, redeemed a bit. He says, "Well, we can drive those enemy soldiers out of trenches with gas. This is just somebody who's performing brain surgery without anesthesia on other people. With higher and higher voltage. Now, why don't you just- what do you remember since we last talked in this interview? And she said, "My ex boyfriend. Like you just did, which happens constantly. We realize this is hard work, but what you are doing is for the good of Germany. Wore a little, um, uh, pince-nez? WNYC's Radiolab The Good Show Hosted by Jad Abumrad and Robert Krulwich Jan. 01, 2012 The standard view of evolution is that living things are shaped by cold-hearted competition. And then he just trails off. ", Only 10 percent, under those circumstances, go on. So, I'm just going to go into this other room over here. Walked in and asked his wife where this friend of mine was, and she got a disgusted look on her face, and said that he was up in the bedroom. Just trying to imagine that. Fact is if you don't continue, uh, we're going to discontinue the experiment. They reach back to the shelf and they find this zyklon stuff. David always known this guy to be pretty mild mannered. Really? Again, it's a pretty big thing to miss. Yes, I did mean to kill. Direct your voice to the microphone in the room. Only 10% under those circumstances go on. Dan doesn't think so, but what's clear is that he saw no reason to question what he had done and that infuriated Clara. This episode of Radiolab, we wrestle with the dark side of human nature, and ask whether it's something we can ever really understand, or fully escape. If I don't leave my house right now, I'm going to kill her." Now, of course, you could find some nitrogen out in the world. Radiolab weaves stories and science into sound and music-rich documentaries. Any time the experimenter said, "You must continue" the shocker would say, "Hell no, I don't.". These are- these are people who are incredibly noble. It's part mix tape, part sonnet love letter, kind of like a daily musical journey into other human lives. Our- our friend. Making him the most prolific serial killer in American history. He walked out of the room and just started weeping. And he believed it. There are hints of reasons. He figures out a way to take a lot of air that's filled with these little nitrogen bonds clinging to each other, and pump it with big iron tank. Cruelty, violence, badness. Under extreme, extreme pressure at high temperature, and then he forces hydrogen into the tank. And while David's sitting in the bedroom with this friend, the guy looks up at him and he says-, Like, through his teeth. Radiolab is supported, in part, by the National Science Foundation, and by the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, enhancing public understanding of science, technology in the modern world. It's called Too Much Information. Unusually so in those times. This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. When you call someone then you're kind of done with them. Of course nobody wants to be killing other people. But the guy is cut to shreds, he's allowed to confess. Speaking with Carol's mom, Carol's little daughter. Well, have you ever been blackmailed the way this woman was being blackmailed? The- the leaves would just sort of shrivel and the grass was turning to the color of metal. He just kind of went crazy. Well if the idea is that people will do bad if they think it's good, if it's a good noble cause. ", Yeah, we just need a whole lot more of one simple-. Science. Well, that's because you- be-because Molly's been in the chair. This is just a tsunami of evil-, And at the very end of the play, when everyone finds out what Iago's done, Othello asks him, "Why? So to speak. But if looked at from another perspective, there is a sense in which you could celebrate what they're doing. And this particular story, it comes from a book that David wrote. Maybe it's all about doubt in the end. You know, this was like oil is today. She was one of the first women to earn a PhD in her country. Reviews . And he says, "Because of the rage." With help from Adam Cole, Rachel James, and Matt [Kielty 01:07:25]. Right. This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. Cruelty, violence, badness. The killer seems to have placed the bodies as if they were mannequins. Um, "Demand me nothing. He figured maybe one percent of these men would keep flicking the switches, up to the highest voltage. Yeah. The first victims of the Green River killer were found in the summer of 1982. Nothing to be ashamed of. So around the turn of the century for German scientists like Haber, this was the challenge. This is Radiolab. And they go, "Why?" Is that how you say that? Hi, my name is Josh, and I'm calling from Harlem, New York. And-. He figures out a way to take a lot of air that's filled with these little nitrogen bonds clinging to each other and pump it to a big iron tank. An experiment is being conducted in the elegant interaction laboratory at Yale University. Yeah. If it doesn't show that people are just obeying orders-, All right, let's go on to our instructions. So, my father and the other interviewer in that room that morning, Detective John Natson, they start using a line of, uh, uh, a tact of, uh, uh, of interviewing him that was very-. And, "Because women have stepped on me all my life." Now, that right there, slap some quotations around that. They couldn't deploy it. Who they would kill, where they'd do it, when. Sounds insane. When you press one of these switches all the way down, the learner gets a shock. There's a pause and my father just says-. Like, saying like, "I don't want to kill a guy.". In those days if you're a convicted male felon, you are, you know, strung up by- You're not allowed to hang till you die. And he spends five years and a futile effort-, Sounds insane. That's it? But in all of these other scenarios, they don't. In case you've never heard of this, probably have, but in case you haven't, here's what he did. Continue using the last switch on the board, please. Probably have, but in case you haven't. That's one of the things we have to know and that's why it's okay to let out. And to make the problem even more annoying. You better check in on him sir. He's such a puzzle to me. Let not your sorrows die though I am dead. Well, all right. Does everybody, at some point, have something dark in them that just tiptoes out, from time to time? 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