I have a completely different set of habits, displayed personality traits, etc. Or maybe what I was doing would have seemed less interesting than an SO in the living room. 1. I recognize that this is more my problem than theirs, but I like my budget! If the guy doesn't seem interested in your suggestion to get together at his place, let it go and move on. Im free next Thursday, if you want to try for then?. If Im doing my stuff and dont have the emotional currenncy to make awkward small talk with an acquaintance in the street Ill darn well duck behind a tree and hide. It can sometimes be tricky if youre coupled up and everyone else is single (Ive been on both ends of that). So, if you dont want to come on too strong or you feel shy to do it, use these little tips to indicate to him that you want some private time bonding. maybe shes going through something that has nothing to do with the LW and needs space from everyone! I am generally the organiser of things in my social life and I normally follow the ask twice guideline that the Captain mentions with the occasional rinse and repeat in a month or two if I hear nothing and still want to see that person. It infuriated me. Some of my mothers friends assume that its only polite to call when youre in the area and see if they want to hang out, and some of my generation shame-clean less than other people. It's more expected that everyone will keep up with what's going on, and take the initiative to get involved if they're interested. If the event involves just your one friend, and a handful of their friends you don't really know. If he is into you he will definitely show up as he will want to protect you. Ha, I grew up in a similar neighborhood culture- but in kind of a hippie community where there were few fences and a lot of windows. Because theyre way closer friends with me than him. His sister got to the point of being able to call a friend to arrange a play date around age 9. (Never again!). Distance communication makes explaining that Im doing something non-interruptible seem more polite and gives more hypothetical space for you to pretend I was actually doing something specific or about to run to an appointment rather than just not feeling sociable. 2. Like you could ask how about a homemade meal and the latest movie at your place on Saturday night?It takes guts to ask that question and be sure to know what to wear to his place for dinner. In the most Brazilian(*) way, of course. Going on for eight paragraphs about what awesome food you will have, in front of someone who is not invited to eat the awesome food, is unkind. Don't assume people share all your interests, and simply invite them to do something you think is fun. Are you also taking the initiative to plan things with friends? I only meant this to be directed at the idea original idea up top, that someone picking someone up is obligated to park, get out of their car, and ring the doorbell, instead of calling from the driveway (which I believe is ridiculous). Sometimes when my bathrooms have gotten out of control I purposely invite someone over on the weekend to induce a shame-cleaning because I will live with a much grosser toilet situation than I would ever allow a guest to see. See Id totally get that we should do this! doesnt actually mean it until you make specific plans, but as soon as someone actually mentions a day Id assume its something that is almost certainly going to happen and we just need to confirm the time. I think you can make dropping in less awkward just by paying attention to the cues the other person is giving you. I may be asleep. How to get invited without asking If someone is talking about plans around you, you can try to drop hints to prompt them to invite you. So for me, it was natural to live that out as an adult in a city with a person I was becoming close to. My mums completely different. I wish you all the best in working this through with your counsellor. It may very well be that this particular incident wasnt a huge issue in itself, but your friend doesnt want to let a pattern develop that will be painful to break out of. I suppose the modern equivalent is mostly not responding to a text for six hours and then going whoops, phone was off. Ive run into a cultural problem with friends who, I think, want me to invite myself over: theyll describe an event like watching a movie at their place and express surprise that I wasnt there, but I never received an invitation or even knew that the event was taking place. I dont know if it was the same kind of thing for you, but my father and stepmother were always doing the Im going to ask you what sounds like a question but it really isnt and then shame you for failing to have manners I havent actually taught you and oh what an embarrassing child you are game. Friend: Is that poop in your sink and on the wall? Call or ask the guy in person. Its the soft no issue. Eh. And if you are sleeping or sick or busy when they pop in without calling first, too fucking bad. I guess I thought that since we already had plans to meet at his apartment, had sent an email, and could have come back later easily if when I arrived wasnt a good time for him, I didnt even think about it. Im totally inviting Susie Cream Cheese to have dinner with me there. - Inviting Myself Along DEAR INVITING MYSELF ALONG: I suspect 2. Both times, I got essentially a cant this weekend, sorry. (I think once it was out of town, and the other was busy for some reason.) What we can do is trust the LWs perception of their own life and their own relationships prior to this point. My parents chewed me out in the car when they came to get me for inviting myself over to someones home (which I was already in and had been asked if I wanted to stay). If you want to build that kind of social situation into your norms then its (JUST) up to you to tell your friends to stop by whenever theyre in your area. If someone asks what I am doing or was doing [at such and such a time] and the detailed answer is something fun without you. If I answer at all I say I had dinner plans with a friend how was your weekend? or I had a bunch of stuff going on- I am actually kind of glad to be back to work. But thats really about it. Home vs. work,surprise! vs. planned, andyou inviting yourself vs. her inviting you,speak to escalating levels of intimacy. If put on the spot they may feel too uncomfortable saying no. Sometimes I want the advice. My life doesnt accommodate drop-ins, and if any of my friends did that, Id ask them not to. 2. It seems like every time Im breastfeeding the baby topless I hear my MIL calling, hello? from upstairs. Advance notice gives us time to put on Social Face (brush hair, brush teeth, put on clothes that dont do double duty on a scarecrow or Halloween decoration, plus whatever tidying up around the house/shame cleaning we feel compelled to do) and to sort out our work/chore schedule around the visit. It's not a good idea to let someone into your home until you really trust him. I wonder how much peoples feelings about this are influenced by their own lifestyles and how much by past experience. All the needs to happen after that is showing up, right? I have a Master of Social Work (MSW) degree, and a B.A. Its all about the relationship you have with the person and where you are in your life. Ideally they text you when theyre on the way so you know when to be ready, so you can just be waiting for them anyway. (Hell, even the Geek Social Fallacies mention that work is a common class that people are allowed to prioritize in time and attention above friendship. If she says 3pm pick something fun to do, and leave your house at 3:15. Take care of yourself, okay? I'm Chris Macleod. CONGRATULATIONS YOU HAVE MADE PLANS TO SEE A FUNNY MOVIE. INDEED. To be honest, Id be really freaked out if I found out someone I was friends with was apparently judging me for not dropping by. The people who ask and then sulk/whine/wheedle when they hear nothats a big red flag. why didnt you tell me?? I am NOT going to be guilted into inviting all and sundry thanks to GSF. I also think that Ask vs. But, these are very close friends; if they sent me the same thing Id be comfortable with a love to see you, but Im not changing out of my jammy pants or brushing my hair type of answer. Even worse, for me, than people who show up at my door without warning and expect to be let in are people who show up my door without warning and expect me to come out. I *will* mind if they then invite themselves into my house, which I may or may not have cleaned recently, and the 10 minutes turns into 2 or 3 or more hours of unplanned socializing. No matter how close we are. Pack a bag for your sleepover. Place yourself between her and her handbag and see if she leans over you to grab her stuff. But with this one friend, all you really need to know is what SHE prefers. You know, I was- Or by initiating contact in some other way? When I asked him about the surprise invites, his reply was, I thought it was efficient to get all my social obligations taken care of at once. 1600, masturbate to porn; 1630, cleanup; 1700, SO arrives. So if any of the people they had carefully arranged in their schedule/chessboard had the temerity to break pattern and show up early or try to clean under the bed or anything that threatened to bring the two sides of their lives together theyd explode with rageand since they couldnt talk about the actual cause of their anger, they often used bullshit nonsensical excuses, like, When you sweep for dustbunnies under the bed it implies you think Im a disgusting person. (Instead of: that is where I keep evidence about my affairs. But NONE of my other friends do this, at least not after the first time. Not in the South. If you are super-handy and you want to help, you could throw that out there, I love an allen wrench. That meant that dropping by was much too frequent. Ill probably decline, because thats a lot of work I hadnt planned on doing. If I am not invited, I assume I am not invited. Privacy Policy. I have been very firm that we can invite her friends to our home or to a public place like a park but we cant tell them we are coming to them. I think things are different if there wouldnt be any expectation of an invitemy co-workers weekend plans, for instance, are common Friday conversationsbut in those situations people dont have feelings to manage. It takes a certain level of presumption about how close your friendship is to ask someone else to host you, so if youre not 99.9% sure that person would like you to invite yourself over, avoid inviting yourself over. I like your suggestions about neutral spaces too, will definitely use that in future. Guy: Alright! When I was a wee child, my family was visiting with another family, and when my parents were ready to leave, they went around and asked each kid if we wanted to leave or stay and keep playing. Oh also, the good old days when people could just drop by anytime had rules too, they were just different rules. If I were to guess when its my time to leave Id spend all my spoons for the week and waste the whole visit guessing, and still get it wrong. Always make room for a gracious no. . The closer you are the more you can get away with, but some people wont like it regardless. You feel ratty, harassed, and youre frantically trying to make it look as if you do pay more than rudimentary attention to the housework if only to stave of questions about whether youre coping. I would take a step back with this friend, try not making plans with her or stopping by her office for a while and see what happens. Get out of your car That seems like a perfect little interaction to me, am I missing something? It reminds me of waiting in for a parcel, or the electrician. If we visited someone, it was meticulously prearranged and we would show up on the very dot of the agreed-upon time not a minute sooner, not a minute later. Learn everything about your strengths, desires, and shortcomings. A no is a no. Others covered a lot of this for me already, but the short answer is that at 7 and with autism, my son is really, really not ready to be placed in charge of inviting his friend over. ! and ive also been very upset when people just presume im available at any time, because sometimes it comes across as a lack of respect, like oh surely i have nothing going on and am just available whenever you happen to be around. I think I am convincing myself to let her go and feeling super sad about it. Without telling us?). Calling me from the car as you sit in my driveway, However, if I am waiting for you to pick me up, please do not text me to say you are waiting. Hah. Equally women didnt drop by after 6pm on weekdays alone because then the men were home and so it would be couple socializing time. Re: Purple0 (sorry nesting fail) Dont even start playing that game you wanted to play, or reading that book youre reading, because god forbid youre in the middle of something when someone arrives! So anyone else asking for hugs is probably gonna be met with side eye. Also, that not getting an invite isnt actually a reflection of your friendship with someone nor is it proof that youre a horrible bad person that no one will ever love. So glad youre not busy in the afternoon. If you made dinner at his house, leave the kitchen cleaner than when you arrived. This kind of stuff is hard, but I firmly believe that there are solutions that will make everyone happy without anyone having to feel ashamed of their preference, goddamnit. Cleanliness and organization goes for your bedroom too. If you try TWICE to schedule something with someone you dont know very well. I was overwhelmed because I felt I had to pack + entertain her. This feeling is only exaggerated when you know that Santa is going to be visiting your house and bringing you gifts. *by people, I mean the gentry and nobility, not real people. I dont know why, still. I am going to discuss fun things with family with other family, even though family event might conceivably include all family. I think Im so hung up on this(and really, I am; I obsess over it) because when I was a teenager, I was quite unpopular. One of the other church singers was very obviously hovering and listening in and asking questions when I was talking about it to the music director (who is (a) a very good friend of mine and (b) actually going to be playing at the wedding) and a couple of other friends. I literally hid from them a few times, even though my mom told me I was being rude. So I did a frantic quick clean, left the place unlocked, and left them a note saying that their child would be home about an hour and a half after their arrival, and Id be there about an hour after that. A little heyyy Im gonna be about an hour or so late! wouldnt go amiss, would it? I agree with you about entertaining and making my home lovely. January was a long time ago. Im not the kind of person who would appreciate a random drop by. I wouldnt have shown up unannounced (or just email announced) if we hadnt already had plans. Its not a thing where assumptions will actually pay off. By. Be cool and become the person that everyone wants to have over. And I wouldnt get to bake! Any self-respecting grownup should have mouthwash and face-wash readily available for exactly these types of situations (and hopefully for themselves on any other normal night). Thats one culturally-specific example, and I dont want it to create a spiral of you/everyone-who-reads-this second-guessing the reality of everyones invitations, but I think there is something that you can adapt from it, dear Letter Writer:If a soon/later/in the near future suggestion by you or invitation from someone else seems unclear, clarify it by suggesting or asking about a definite time and place. 2. Thats me, too: Im self employed and work from home, and unfortunately some people seem to think this means I am available to chat any time of day they happen to feel like it/ be nearby. We have no enemies!. I was actually discussing the music for the wedding with the person who would actually be playing said music, so not even just a casual conversation about it; it could hardly have been construed as a taunt given that she was the one who came over and inserted herself. The sorts of people who like unexpected drop-ins will respond seamlessly with the right noises, the ones who dont can say sorry, busy or even yeah, lets go to Local Coffee Shop. I didnt know I was invited! Oh, agreed! I dont even know how to make polite noises. I mind people seeing things that I put away when I know people are coming. Don't expect him to have everything you need. I have a friend whose cousin will consistently show up to small gatherings dinner parties or tiny birthday parties, cocktail outings for girls nights out because they were mentioned to her and she decided that, having been mentioned to her, this was enough to consider herself invited. Speaking as the sort who on occasion has that freshly-baked-pie thing happening, I can offer reassurance that I and the vast majority of my ilk do not care if your house is not like that. But Im also very careful to err on the side of caution with their boundaries, because I know they wont tell me if I violate them; theyll just be angry and pretend not to be. It works well in less formal situations, whether you know someone well or not, you can use these questions to make an invitation: Are you free to? Inviting yourself over to people's places is frowned upon, at least in many Western cultures. 3. All attempts to set boundaries have failed, and these attempts have actually led to her being punitive toward me for trying to tell her no or set a boundary with her about anything, and this exhausting, selfish boundary-stomping is why, when I do move away, which I have been trying to do for TEN GODDAMNED YEARS while very, very poor and very, very un(der)employed, chances are very good that she will be completely and utterly cut off until she dies. I never thought to put it this way but its perfect: 1. 1.6. If wed been together for years and regularly stayed at each others places and had keys I would assume that I could show up whenever. Girl, if cooking is one of your love languages then there is no better way to show him you care by making a delicious home-cooked meal. They also only had this happen to them twice before they stopped showing up early. The guy had the kind of job that involved getting up before dawn and he was already in bed he wasnt super impressed, and thats when I started really thinking about whether it was OK to just drop in on people not everyone has the same schedule as me. You have to walk from your door to their car anyway. understanding the ENTIRE backstory to the feeling I second the excellent advice and on a side note, that movie is hilarious. You were a little kid. Youre going to show our friend the bike and then ride away on your bike. Sometimes people will ask me this less than two hours after the original making of the plan. Because they were not ones to take a hint. NONE OF THE REST OF YOU ARE INVITED. The dropping by for a hug comes over as very needy. Re: can you actually trust people to say what they meanI wish you could, but sometimes, as we all know, you cant. Home Security / By loviehomes. This discussion is squicking me out because it is introducing doubt where there doesnt need to be any. (or text) I may not be able to, either due to existing plans, or lack of remaining energy for interacting with humans. I agree I dont want someone showing up at my house unexpectedly without calling ahead. Here are some additional thoughts: Dont worry why things seem different stopping by work and home. Absolutely agree. Im an extreme introvert and wouldnt want people dropping in on me either, but if it had been my boyfriend, I wouldnt have minded. If put on the spot they may feel too uncomfortable saying no. A downside to this is it can feel like youre expecting the person to ask you to come inside if they need a few more minutes. Hrm. Im certainly going to be packed and ready to go, but it tends to be easier for both parties if they just call me when theyre there, or even when theyre getting close so I can get to the curb and wait without having to then find out that theyre stuck in traffic and are going to be 15 minute late. 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