I wanted to use the worst possible ammo I could find and sure enough, I did. They just arent as durable as people would like others to think. Instead of the traditional stock theres a skeletonized tubular stock and a pistol grip. In reality, when you think about it, these guns were made for the Russian military and I doubt they are running any "low brass" through them since they are designed to kill. Purpose [ edit] For that reason, why would they go to the trouble of polishing and beautifully machining their internals when they don't need to. Re-use your factory recoil springs, or, for improved cycling with 3 dram ammunition, use in conjunction with our 15lb Wolff recoil spring, available here:http://dissidentarms.com/index.php/product/15-wolff-recoil-spring/, Note: Gunsmith install HIGHLY recommended! I am 922(r) compliant and added a tank muzzle break, this helps reducing muzzle flip. buy-ak47 Your piston gets guided into position by the gas tube. They say not to use them for hunting as over penetration is likely. Except the 12 is still gauge rather than diameter in millimeters I DONT UNDERSTAND! The Vepr 12 has AK-style sights; however, it also has a top rail if you want to mount a red dot or similar optic. Classic Firearms just put these on sale for $799/shipped. About 5 min with a dremmel and you can add a little more value to your gun, of course you should always .make the gun 922r compliant first. VEPR 12 Shotgun Good or Bad? It has a collapsible Colt M4-style Magpul sliding stock. Price wasnt a prior category. Third, I say uninformed because as was covered by other responses there is indeed a bolt hold open button that eliminates the supposed need to use an empty magazine to lock the action open. Overall rating is not mathematically derived from the previous component ratings and encompasses all aspects of the firearm including those not discussed. Even then some just do not like light loads. (not one FTF or FTE. Its better than the Saiga-12, but the safety is an issue for me and the gun feels like it has very sharp edges and rough machining. Im hoping its just one of thise situations where it needs to be fired more. Vepr 12 owner here. Winchester Military Grade Buckshot. I would do it again and again for the results that I got. Hence the fat portion of the piston. Then you mention the xrail as if it is a viable and useful alternative instead of the uber-expensive, unreliable, heavy piece of crap it is in reality? Ive done similar things on my reviews. An unusual feature among firearms in the Kalashnikov family, the Vepr-12 sports a last round bolt hold-open mechanism. I also paid $630 for it during Firearmageddon last year. In some cases you need to fire a bunch of higher power ammo before the cheep stuff will run good. He is responsive to inquiries on the progress of your build and will even post pics of it on his Facebook account for you to see. I was looking for a buttstock for my Vepr 12 Molot. Your previous content has been restored. Ive owned both. Early American export models have no muzzle brake and have a fixed stock rather than a folding stock. I feel fine with my Mossberg 590 for home defense and it only holds 5 rounds. Guess ill just keep running hot loads through it (which is never something to complain about lol) in hopes that i can one day dump a full 10 round mag without a FTE OR it costing me $1 per trigger pull lol. is this normal? So Second, see my comment right above yours. . I actually decided to put the Molot muzzle brake (well, the Carolina Shooter Supply brake knockoff) and YES, it significantly reduces recoil on the gun! Just saying. . It worked for me and now I have a smooth running gun that I'm proud to own. Maybe in time that will change. Maybe the new name should be THEMODERATLYBIASPOINIONSONGUNS.COM. The Vepr-12 is intended to be a direct competitor to the widely popular Saiga-12 shotgun already produced by Izhmash. Again read the instructions! My Turkish Hatsan's also required some work for