Leras is fascinated by Kelsier due to him being the first to punch him after death, and being the first to attempt to recruit him to their schemes. After removing her second spike and adding one of Trellium, she went mad and began working with the Set, and was defeated. He is presumably the founding member of the Ghostbloods, a secret society investigating the Cosmere and ways to travel between all the different worlds. When Marsh caught Vin in Luthadel, he attacked Ruin with Preservation's power, weakening Ruin's control over Marsh just enough for Marsh to rip out Vin's earring. Kelsier is known by many titles, the origins of which vary. [33] As a Cognitive Shadow tied to Scadrial, it is difficult for him to travel to other planets via Shadesmar. The issue with a spear is if the metal head is all the way out of the body, and only the wooden haft is actually touching. He also knew at that point he'd been too much of a problem for the Lord Ruler. As of the end of The Bands of Mourning, he has a very obvious crush on Marasi. Its relevant to the past in the cosmere. If youre looking to learn even more, I highly recommend that you check it outthere are also chapter-by-chapter recaps of the books if youd like to do a more thorough deep dive into the Mistborn series! Then he found the power at the Well of Ascension and became trapped there with Ruin, though merging with the power of the Well allowed him to become a Cognitive Shadow and resist the pull of the Beyond. Ranette: Waxs gunsmith and a Lurcher (iron-pulling). Powers that we know of: Steelpushing (Allomantic) and Bloodmaking (Feruchemical). [11] He hates all of the nobility and tends to believe that all of them are to blame for the plight of the skaa, although near the end of his life this attitude changes due to Vin's insistence that Elend is different and that not all the nobles should be fought, although his views did not fully change, and he retained his prejudice and distrust. That is like arguing with air. Like a way to copy that little bit of spiritweb, so the spike can be removed or, god forbid, reused. However, he is then confronted by the Lord Ruler himself. I dunno what the point of spiking him would be. Waxillium Ladrian was a direct descendant of a close associate of Kelsier, Edgard Ladrian. [69] Wax then used the artifact to defeat the Set and save the Southern Scadrian prisoners, using up a lot of the Investiture stored in the Bands. Vin didn't trust him but agreed in order to learn how to use Allomancy. He takes up the Shard of Preservation following Leras' death and sends a round-about message to Marsh in the hope that his brother will remove Vin's earring. We left off in TheBands of Mourning with Steris and Wax eloping. During the first year of COVID lockdowns, the creative collective SoulsForge developed Mistborn: Ashes Project:A collaborative proposal for a prospective AAA. Kelsier went on to save Elend's life from an inquisitor. Marsh decided to give Wax a book explaining Hemalurgy because he believed Wax was doing Kelsier's work. We want to discuss this theory. Wayne once had a thing for her, but gave up on it after realizing that she has a girlfriend. Information about books that have not yet been released, like the other secret novels releasing in 2023 and Stormlight 5, is allowed only on meta-pages for the books themselves. The mists curled around him, blending into the tassels of his mistcloak. He has a spike through his eye at the end of BoM. (Like Wax, and Wayne, and okay, those are the only remaining Ws, but isnt alliteration fun?). Though, in my opinion, I dunno if Ruin would try to forcethe Lord Ruler to kill Kelsier. Gave Entrone: An amateur archeologist who insulted Steris at a party. Or does Sanderson have yet more secrets to reveal? 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Harmony(fka Sazed): Harmony holds the shards of Ruin AND Preservation, and as such is (one of the) god(s) of Scadrial. [8] Despite Preservation not usually being able to speak into the minds of other, due to some combination of Spook being near death, having a broken soul, and believing Kelsier was a god, he was able to talk to Spook. All I want is for you to clarify your theory. Even if it weren't a viable metal, as a Mistborn he would have been able to burn it, and he wasn't able to sense it at all. Then he found the power at the Well of Ascension and became trapped there with Ruin, though merging with the power of the. I wonder if there's a way to make hemalurgy permanent. Before leaving them, he created the Bands of Mourning, a collection of unsealed metalminds forged together and containing all kinds of attributes in extremely large quantities. Kelsier offered to let her to join his crew. Kelsier dies. Once their army was trained and the houses grew unstable enough, they would send a part of their army to attack the Pits of Hathsin, forcing the garrison of Luthadel to go and defend the Pits. As of the end of TheBands of Mourning, it is believed by the characters that the goal of the Set is to begin a civil war to overthrow Elendel. It is assumed that, based on his experience as a Misting crew leader that staged increasingly daring heists, he had broken into the Ministry building of Urteau and discovered the secret in the storage cache). I doubt that its a spike however simply for the reason of what attribute would theyspike into Kelsier. Might as well use that talent for the cause of good eh? He strongly disapproves of the way Kelsier flippantly kills noblemen and those who serve them without a second thought. Wayne: Waxs loyal sidekick, Wayne has a tendency to borrow things and has an aversion to using guns despite his duty as a lawman. Yes, he's really dead. Khriss mentions the Ire which sets Kelsier onto his next quest of finding their base of operation. I do think that an interesting (and relevant)question that is brought up by this theory though is whether or not it is possible to spike a person without killing them. So, Im kind of with Ishar a little bit. As you can see, Kelsiers been a busy, busy boy. Despite his suspicion that Mare betrayed him, he decides to fulfill Mare's dream of overthrowing the Final Empire. [24][25][3][26] He is a great agent of chaos and is very good at tearing things down and messing with what other people want. At the end of the book, Kelsier invites Marasi to join the Ghostbloods after her success in stopping Autonomy's army to which she rejects after much thought. "[3] He is referred to by Hoid as "the Lord of Scars. Kelsier and Dockson went to see her first hand; they watched Vin Soothe an obligator during Camon's scheme, confirming that she was at least a Soother. What are you saying? Its relevant to the past in the cosmere. After Sazeds Ascension and Spooks rise to political power, Kelsier began to speak with Spook about finding a way to bring himself back to the Physical Realm. You can use this to quickly reference who the various players are, in case youve forgotten. While conversing with Harmony regarding the case, Harmony said that Wax's casual way of talking to him reminded him of Kelsier. While there he meets Ati and Hoid, as well as regularly talking with Leras, whom he believes to be God. Kelsier also wanted to try kill the Lord Ruler with the Eleventh Metal as a "voluntary bonus". It was Mare who gave Kelsier a drawing of a flower, a remnant of a time before ash clouded the sky and plants grew withered and brown. While initially hostile, in the end Kelsier's brother Marsh joined, and together the crew developed a plan to defeat the Final Empire. All Im saying is that theres no way to definitively know whether or not the metal heads were still inside him. And the Lord Ruler still had a spike in his chest when he stabbed Kelsier. The Bands of Mourning follows our group of heroes as they begin a quest to find the titular Bands of Mourning, a legendary and extraordinarily powerful artifact. So the head was likely stopped by the ground before leaving his body. That said though, Im also kind of confused at what Ruin would be trying to accomplish even if TLR HAD been spiked. [46], During his journey to find the Ire, he runs into Ruin and has a discussion about Ruin's intent. Epic previously teased the Mistborn crossover by tweeting out a quote . Kelsier is described to be a middle-aged man with hawkish features and light blonde hair. Marasi previously studied law and had a bit of a crush on Wax, but shes since moved on. Despite her supposed betrayal, Kelsier never stopped loving her. [2] Kelsier later reveals in his letter to Vin that he had intended to use the Eleventh Metal to destroy the Lord Ruler but could not discover how to use it in his fight. And the whole point of the Cosmere Discussion forumis to discuss irrelevant theories and minutiae about the Cosmere. You cant discuss a theory with only the people who agree with it. When Bleeder killed Father Bin by nailing him to a wall, it is described as a parody of the Survivor's Statemark,[60] implying that the Statemark depicts the way Kelsier died, impaled by a spear. [62] He has also worked together with Khriss. . Not again. Sixteen months later, when Kelsier was unable to get his weekly atium geode, Mare gave Kelsier hers, claiming that she had found two that week. It reacts explosively to water. This information has the ability to potentially ruin elements of the plot for the reader. He always keeps a smile on his face, because that is the one thing the Lord Ruler can't take from him. Telsin Ladrian (aka Lady Sequence): Waxs estranged sister, and a high-ranking member of the Seteven higher than Mister Suit. He connects us to his characters. The Lord Ruler is pierced through the chest with a spear, basically a long spike, then uses that spear to stab Kelsier. I had a similar reaction to theend of Lev Grossmans The Magicians. Even if he had, Kelsier died after being stabbed by the spear, but a hemalurgic spike would not kill: vital organs actually move to accommodatethe spike and keep the subject alive. Whats the point? If it did, when Inquisitors are made, the spike would have killed them before it gained a Hemalurgic charge. In the hundreds of years following his death at the hands of Rashek, Kelsier was revived with the help of Spook and Harmony, becoming a messiah known as the Sovereign to the Southern Scadrians. Kelsier is Vins mentor and teaches her to use her Allomantic abilities. He didnt say anything rude. I represent that one thing you've never been able to kill, no matter how hard you try. One day, the men of gold and red, bearers of the final metal, will come to you. All Im saying is that whether or not TLR could have been hemalurgically spiked depends entirely upon whether or not the rebels stabbing him with spears only stabbed hard enough to just barely get the metal heads in, which would technically allow for hemalurgical side effects, or if the rebels stabbed him with enough force that the spear head went ALL THE WAY THROUGH HIM and stuck out the other side of his body, leaving him with only the wooden haft still inside of him and the metal heads not touching his insides. To view an earlier version of the wiki without spoilers for a book, go to the Time Machine! He was the leader. However, this apparition of Kelsier is eventually revealed to be Ruin in disguise. But was that truly the end of his tale? [40] He continued training Vin and was surprised by her quick progress. Until Kelsier, a brilliant half-Skaa thief and natural leader, finds in himself the powers of a Mistborn, and turns his talents to the ultimate caper, with the Lord Ruler himself as the mark. Even though that is the OP, it would also be good to know where the discussion has evolved too, cause I am confused by that too. When Kelsier's father discovered the truth of their parentage, he had their mother executed and attempted to do the same to the brothers, who fled. Repeating myself over and over because Im misunderstood gets annoyingreal quick, so I wanna make sure Im clear with what I say. Even with the strongest criminal team ever put together, Kel's scheme appears to be the absolute long shot. [12] He always smiles and projects an excited and positive attitude, which is particularly unusual in the skaa underground. Then he killed the noble Lord Renoux and let OreSeur impersonate him. Even if he had said something rude, its a theory. After Kelsier died, when Vin fought the Lord Ruler, Marsh killed the other Steel Inquisitors in Luthadel and saved Vin's life. Other 3D models from the same designer Janseloth All Be. Immediately after his death, Kelsier arrived in the Cognitive Realm and met Preservation. Lyndsey is a renaissance faire performer and magic wand-maker. Kelsier is also highly impulsive, on one occasion attempting to attack an entire army single-handed. I worried about doing this, actually, since it seemed a little too expected. , He and Hoid have a very antagonistic relationship one with one another, stretching back to when they first met and got into a violent fight. Kelsier is a Mistborn, so he can burn every Allomantic metal, although he is particularly proficient with the external physical metals iron and steel. The hearts of men are NOT YOUR TOYS. , When several skaa from the rebellion were about to be executed, Kelsier attempts to save them. At the end of TheBands of Mourning, we learn that aside from the Survivorists, there is also a whole civilization of people far to the south of Elendel that worships Kelsier, calling him the Sovereign. They have been utilizing Hemalurgy to grant their members Allomantic and Feruchemical powers. I find it odd how specific Kelsier's death is. (Remember how I mentioned all those spoilers? I want to know if it is relevant, because when things are relevant, they become not just interesting and thought provoking, but actually important. When used Allomantically, the metal is said to burn with a pure whiteness and will slowly be consumed, in the same way it would be by a Misting or Mistborn. The Coppermind has spoilers for all of Brandon's published works, now including The Lost Metal and Tress of the Emerald Sea (Secret Project 1). After Kelsier died, he became a Cognitive Shadow through the Well of Ascension, making him able to resist the pull of the Beyond. 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