A 350 bull must have an average of 16 inches for his G1 through G4 points and 10 inch G5s to be about 350. Mag. It was my choice when I drew a limited entry Utah tag and dropped a 402 B&C gross (official) non-typical with one 180-grain Federal TBT. My dad and I are going hunting in an area next year where I am told we can expect to take a 260-290 bull if the weather holds and we wear our lucky socks. We have three other primary assumptions being made here. A cartridge that starts a slippery bullet with plenty of speed provides flat trajectories and maximum wind-bucking ability. If you anticipate hunting big, open country or canyonlands where shots could go long, the .300 and .338 magnums should be on your list. Mag. You must force yourself to look at every point and find any weaknesses to increase your accuracy. Choose at least medium weight for caliber: 140 grains in 6.5mm and the lighter 7mms; 140 and 150 grains in .270s; 150 to 160 grains in faster 7mms; 165 or 180 grains in .30 calibers. The actual ear length itself (7.5). border-collapse: collapse; Cartridge means the case that holds the powder that drives the bullet. This is the unfortunate trade off. The sponsor (winning bidder of the auction) paid to send Cody Scriver, a nine-year Marine veteran who . The main beams will just barely reach his withers. Keep in mind with this Base 200 system that as you go below 340 size bulls your base 200 numbers will need to be slightly adjusted as noted below. I understand what you are saying Bobmuley, but 5" could make or break a record book bull. Mag. A few more calibers throwing those famous .308 bullets include the .300 Ruger Compact Magnum, .300 SAUM, .300 WSM, .30/308 Norma Mag., .300 H&H, 30 Nosler, .300 Wby. Add in the lighter recoil of the .300 Win. Note: If you are new to elk antler scoring or scoring in general, you can jump down to the bottom and watch the short four part video series on how to score an elk antler. One, lung-shot by a client with a .270, reared as might a horse then fell backward, planting its long beams in the ground. Recoil is brisk, and barrel life will likely be short. Kel-Tec: KS7GRN; 12 Gauge; Barrel Length 18.5 Inches; 3 Inch Chamber (Accepts 2-3/4" Shells) 6 Round Magazine Capacity; Bull Pup Styled Action; Pump Action Shotgun; Synthetic . of .414 or so, the 210-gr. Keep in mind that on 66s you dont add the extension of the main beam past the bulls G5 as a sixth point. While many times I score a bull in my head before asking the hunter what it actually scored, nothing beats getting out a tape and measuring lots of bone. During my high school . Slide up to some of the new 190-gr. You must read and understand your own local laws before hunting elk to know whether your caliber of choice is a legal option. loads. Built into a titanium short action with a 20-inch Proof Research carbon fiber barrel and a McMillan Edge stock, it will weigh under six. elkkill2006 # 3957463 04/01/10. If the point is 10 shorter, then the bull probably has a 20 fourth point. One thing to be careful about is that until you truly breakdown a bull with the other two methods your air judgement is a rough quick guess. When a bull has his head down feeding, I determine whether the main beam is higher or lower than the hump on his back above his shoulder. Its superb on elk to 350 yards or a bit more in the hands of a very good rifleman. The distance from that hump down his front leg to his hoof is generally 54 to 58, depending on the maturity of the bull. background-color: #333333; Here is a 330 gross bull with a down turned brow ;^). Elk dont like any of this. } Like many of the others, I didn't tape him either - and yes, he's going on the wall. After all, this was the round Bell used to collect 800 elephants and untold numbers of Cape buffalo. } Itll only hit 2,400 fps or so with a 225-grain bullet, so the 200- and 210-grain slugs might be the better choice. Best bullets are the 7mm 155- to 175-grainers, and the .30-caliber 180- to 200-grainers. This is a 297 bull that has a broken tine. Short in the Elvis era meant standard or 30/06 length: 3.340-inches overall cartridge length, down from the 3.6-inches of the parent cartridge. 280 Ackley Improved, Rifles, Inc. Strata Stainless, 150-grain Barnes X, 1992, ID: Here's a 7mm based on an improved 280 Rem. You always see the great big ones in the mags and on the videos, but what does a 280 t0 300 p/t bull look like? Occasionally elk have died more quickly than I expected. Big Game Hunting - 250 Elk - Hey elk guys, does anyone have any pictures of a 220 to 250 class elk. Heres what to do when you run up against non typicals or bulls such as 77s. In late summer the velvet dries and falls off to reveal the bonelike structure of the fully-grown antlers. in a 22-inch barrel. This is going to be a very close estimate for most big bulls and serves as our solid starting point. If the .338s are the best caliber on the upper end for elk, the 7mms are the best at the lower end. Generally, a bull with a 300 class rack will be 4 or 5 years old. font-size: 14px; This bill is 300 with the broken 5th. Mag. Again, most 400 bulls will have 54 to 56 inch beams, and a spread of potentially more than 40 inches. No idea why the pic is upside down.just flip your phone. text-align: center; Eastern elk were driven to extinction due to commercial use, unregulated hunting, and habitat loss in the 1800s and early 1900s. It offers shocking good performance in a beltless, standard-length case and is becoming the go-to, extreme-range hunting cartridge. Here's how to set realistic expectations, get it done, and have a blast. And yes, shots on elk can be far. border-color: #656565; Please feel free to agree, disagree, and share stories from your own experience in the comments section below. There are several actions that could trigger this block including submitting a certain word or phrase, a SQL command or malformed data. Grossed at 323 and netted 318. It offers bull-thumping authority at a recoil level just at the cusp of what most serious shooters can handle. The 33-caliber has become a crowded family, and all members are more than suitable for elk. Calibers lighter and heavier than the 7mms through .338s can be considered excellent for elk. Look for good curve in the G1, G2, & G3 points. Idaho Elk Outfitters 2113 West 3800 south Rexburg, Idaho 83440 208-313-3634. (The distance from the antler pedicle to the end of the nose on a mature bull is about 16 to 18 inches.) 400 Bull: G1= 20, G2= 20, G3= 20, G4= 20, G5= 16. Add 16 to 26 (tip to tip) and you have a spread of 42. Offering the perfect balance of tremendous energy, large frontal diameter, ballistic efficiency, and long barrel life, the .338 has garnered disciples among rifle savants such as F&S own David E. Petzal. I decided to cross reference my anatomical measurements with Clay Goldman of Mogollon Taxidermy. How To Score Your Elk. While growing up in the early 1960s, I lived next to the federal elk refuge in Jackson Hole, Wyoming. Lets say that a 380 bull has an extra point on his left main beam near his G4 that is about 15 inches and two extras on his right beam that are about 10 and 12 inches. And the bigger they get, the tougher they become. However, it possesses authority in spades, and when paired with a fast-handling lever-action its a classic favorite of big-woods hunters. For big game hunting precise shot placement is critical no matter the cartridge, and its damn hard to place a shot precisely when you know youre going to get smacked hard enough to loosen your teeth and knock out your boogers. One of the most popular magnums of all time. It generates velocities identical to the venerable .264 Win. Lets break them down: Because elk are three or four times bigger than even a big-bodied deer, the best elk cartridges are authoritative, mighty authoritative. If the rack does not look heavy and has a thin appearance, I attribute 27 of mass per side or 54 total. When he is facing you, look at the width of his ears. A bull elk is a male, which is much larger and heavier than a female, called a cow. It almost equals the .300 Ultra Mag, and does it with a whole lot less gunpowder. Mag. This is meant to be used as a fun tool to help you sharpen your elk antler scoring skills. Winchester borrowed the same basic belted magnum case, blew out the walls, pushed the 25-degree shoulder forward, shortened overall length to .30/06 standard, and created a powder reservoir holding about 90 grains of water. Ive just shown that its no faster than the .300 Win. The 280 Remington could be the Goldilocks of standard-length action hunting rounds. Theyre all proven to kill elk with proper shot placement and are available in rifles you wont mind carrying in the mountains. Many an elk hunter has suggested the .300 Win. Learn More . 360-Plus Bull Elk with a Bow Editor's Note: Mark Hanson lives in Mesa, Arizona, and has been a Mossy Oak ProStaffer for 7 years. Gender. Disclaimer: the information above is purely for illustrative purposes and should not be taken as permission to use a particular caliber, a statement of the legality or safety of using certain calibers, or legal advice in any way. And realize that after a hunt or choice you might want to choose differently. Anyone call/bring in blacktail or black bear? ELKCHSR, I look pretty good for a 40 year old guy! The .280 Remington was introduced in 1957. 3,637. This is a grand-old cartridge based on the .308 Winchester, but it is loaded with a .358-caliber bullet. developed a reputation as a wounder because ammo companies and handloaders were stoking it with light, thin-jacketed projectiles meant for 757 Mauser speeds. The final way to judge is through the Estimating Shortest Points Magic 200 Method. It scored under 300. . word-break: normal; If a bull looks really heavy and solid, then I estimate about 30 of mass per side. He only uses partitions for big game. Join F&S+ to read exclusive stories by your favorite writers. vertical-align: top But I still dont consider them a top pick for elk just because, well, larger calibers provide a slight edge. Bulls scoring 320-350 . Can people post pics of what a 300 inch bull looks like vs. say, a 280 inch. Ya know, those are some fantastic bulls. Next, try to figure out how mature is the bull that you are looking at and keep it simple. font-family: Arial, sans-serif; Be careful not to air judge too quickly because once you start saying a bull is 325 and he really is 300 your judging scale gets skewed. So, with the proper balance in mind lets look at a great method for scoring mature bulls on the hoof. Thats a lot of antler! The kinetic energy of the projectile drops dramatically the further downrange it travels primarily due to energy lost in the form of heat generated by friction against the air itself. Most bulls that I see either have weak 3rds or weak 5ths. You want to look for anything that is sticking out or extraordinary. case. Some bulls may vary from this, but these are very realistic of what you will see on mature 66 bulls. When a bull is broadside, you can compare his fourth point to that measurement. 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